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I did not avoid the question, I pointed out that your concerns fall into the category of research design. Scanlon's decades of research should not be discounted or ignored. I hope I'm clarifying my point that your views around the three cueing systems are not what many folks try to make it out to be. It was never meant to be a teaching system- and the attempts to turn it into are not what I teach my teachers to do. The best model I am aware of for using ALL the information system is the one employed in Reading Recovery, and again, what folks say is done in RR is not what RR folks are doing.

As you read more of my writing, I always seek evidence of common ground and common practices. So I'm VERY interested in Seidenberg and how his views fit Clay's views around creating a self-extending system. I'll also point out that laying the foundation should happen early on. What that foundation might be is also determined by the needs of the students. Some students thrive on analytic approaches (essentially discovery learning). Some students get the foundation rather quickly. How do you see SOR adapting to those facts (or do you disagree with that assessment)? I'm seeing examples of SOR folks treating analytic phonics as an inferior approach. It's not. What to use depends on the student (however I've said many times that it is crucial that synthetic phonics be part of any Tier 1 program).

Before you answer about your views around analytic phonics, please look over this excerpt from a July 18th blog entry, Shanahan posted a few years back. "The average effect size was somewhat higher for synthetic than analytic approaches, but not significantly so (it was so small a difference that one can't say one is really higher than the other). In other words, synthetic and analytic phonics are equally good."

I'm not seeing much evidence that SOR is treating things that way. What am I missing?

BTW, I'm glad to see some things on which we seem to agree. I'm glad to see that.

Dr. Sam

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BTW thanks to Harriet Jametos for pointing out the Scanlon interview. I will work on my comment about your take on BL and the Three Cueing System.

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